I want his lawn. Other than TT and Morph, it has the darkest color I've seen. It looks great- I don't think he would miss 500 sqft if I transplanted it to my back yard.

Bestlawn wrote:Okay, I'll look today

nothing0 wrote:I'm going to rent a sod cutter and go to simplekids house. Are you in?

Why? What did I miss?

No but i am in.

How about adding touchdown and/or orfeo to the emblem? I'm more concerned about spreading and getting my lawn back than color at this point.

I know nothing about Touchdown but Orfeo is a medium green and may not blend well with the other cultivars.

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Tell me your lawn area, please.

Mallory, isn't Orfeo in the Aggressive family? I'm curious about your opinions about two Aggressive family members in the same mix (ignore the coloration issue).

Andy, I need to ask if the question pertains to Nothing0's lawn. If not, let me beg you to make a new thread. I just don't want him to get confused.

Bestlawn wrote:Tell me your lawn area, please.

Its small around 1000 sq feet. Full sun. No trees.

1 lb Raven
1 lb Barrister
0.5 lb Cheetah

For Raven and Barrister
Valley Green valleygreenusa.com Holyoke, MA 413-533-0726

For Cheetah
Arkansas Valley Seed avseeds.com 970-535-4481

Be sure to ask for sod quality seeds.

You really don't need an Aggressive Type. Despite what has happened with the lawn, I urge you to be patient and not purchase Cheetah. In addition to that, I doubt AV will sell just half a pound, but the blend shouldn't be comprised of any more than that. Please believe me.

Bestlawn wrote:
You really don't need an Aggressive Type. Despite what has happened with the lawn, I urge you to be patient and not purchase Cheetah. In addition to that, I doubt AV will sell just half a pound, but the blend shouldn't be comprised of any more than that. Please believe me.

First I want to thank you again.

Please give me a little explanation with the warning. Is it because cheetah is so aggressive that I will end up with further disease issues? Is mixing it with emblem the issue? (I'm not really sure how much of any of the previous blend is left)

Okay, this isn't funny anymore. I've been joking with a few of you guys that I'm early senile, but it's beginning to look like the truth. I forgot all about I even asked your varieties and didn't catch Andy's clue either. I need meds.

Nothing0, please back away from the Cheetah. Like I said, you really don't need an Aggressive Type at all for the reasons that you want it but yes, that you already have Emblem is a double whammy. And yes, you could end up with more disease issues. I know you feel your lawn looks a mess, but it will recover. The only reason you need new varieties is as another line of defense (in concert with proper maintenance) against the disease next year and thereafter.

Another help would be periodic fungicide applications or either 10 lbs of corn meal per month nest year.

Bestlawn wrote:
Another help would be periodic fungicide applications or either 10 lbs of corn meal per month nest year.

Nothing and I have both went well over the corn apps this season i wonder if that had anything to do with the issues we both had? Out of all the renovators last fall i think we are the only two that were going for huge organic drops this year. Again i wonder if it had anything to do with the down fall of are lawns?

jglongisland wrote:

simpson wrote:

Bestlawn wrote:
Another help would be periodic fungicide applications or either 10 lbs of corn meal per month nest year.

Nothing and I have both went well over the corn apps this season i wonder if that had anything to do with the issues we both had? Out of all the renovators last fall i think we are the only two that were going for huge organic drops this year. Again i wonder if it had anything to do with the down fall of are lawns?

I've done 795 lbs/thousand so far, but only used cracked corn once and that was a mistake as it brought every squirrel in the County over to my property. Milorganite has been my main source this year as its so easy to get at the HD on my way to work.

I am close to 800 lbs per 1000sq ft but mine was almost all cracked corn. Its cheap easy and has mild nitrogen so great for organic matter. I know high numbers of organics is not going to hurt anything because Morph has proven that. But what about high numbers of corn on a new lawn? Its just a little weird thats all.

Guys, I'm going to ping Morph and David to direct them to your question. They know better than I do because I'm not all that familiar with cracked corn. My instincts, based on very limited education, tell me cracked corn did not at all contribute to disease, and my guess is that it also did not contribute to helping to fight the disease. Corn meal is used for that.

I don't know how much you used, but I can also say that if at some point you smothered the grass, that was contributing factor.

They will probably disagree with me but being an organics person myself, I normally suggest synthetics for the first year. The reason is direct nitrogen and phosphorus to the roots to strengthen them. Then organics thereafter.

Again, I want to point out the importance of sticking with the basics. Any time you compromise the root system, the lawn is susceptible to disease, and a new lawn needs time to build strong and adequate root systems.

Pong. Corn sure didn't hurt, and even cracked corn is good for fungal control. It takes longer to get going since the stuff has to decay from a larger kernel, but it gets there--that's what I use as corn meal is too hard to control and too dusty for my taste. I hate coughing the stuff up for hours afterward.

The stuff works as a preventative, but if you already have an issue I'd clear it up. I've never tried to cure a problem using it, although others have said you can.

MorpheusPA wrote:The stuff works as a preventative, but if you already have an issue I'd clear it up. I've never tried to cure a problem using it, although others have said you can.

I've never successfully used corn (cracked or meal) as a curative application (at least not as a quick-cure). It's best as a preventative (to 'pre-load' the soil with beneficial fungi), but even with heavy applications of corn on an established lawn I can still get fungal problems.

Bestlawn wrote:
I don't know how much you used, but I can also say that if at some point you smothered the grass, that was contributing factor.

They will probably disagree with me but being an organics person myself, I normally suggest synthetics for the first year. The reason is direct nitrogen and phosphorus to the roots to strengthen them. Then organics thereafter.

Again, I want to point out the importance of sticking with the basics. Any time you compromise the root system, the lawn is susceptible to disease, and a new lawn needs time to build strong and adequate root systems.

I cant speak for Nothing0 but i know that there was never any smothering going on. I also did use small rates of synthetics like you said before Mallory so that was not it. I think David also used synthetics as well. I was just looking for some kind of similarity that we both did. It just looks like we both have the same problem.

I understand what you're saying, and please don't think I was accusing. I can say that sometimes mistakes are made, and I can say there doesn't need to be mistakes and no similarities either. I think Nothing's biggest problem was the watering he did, but it might not have been that. It's just those things that assist us in pinpointing, which doesn't make any difference in the end - a water under the bridge kind of thing (pun intended lol). Often times, weather conditions are to blame, and there end up being other factors, too.

I also agree it looks like you both have the same problem, but know that you're not alone. Several suppliers have told me business is booming because, as they say "lawns are dying." We here on the forum are a very small sample, and therefore not an accurate representation of the turfgrass community, and I'm only talking in terms of home lawns. People all over the country are in your same position, and many of them don't know they have a disease. Plus, weather conditions are abnormally high all over if only for the extended period of time. Given that, it would be impossible to compare similarities.

Jon can get a thread going.

I've put down 820 lbs of corn over 1800 sq feed (front and back) never smothering the lawn.

I had disease issues in front yard last year without making any of the mistakes I made this year in the back. (That's what prompted the massive amount of corn) There wasn't any fertilizer in the pre em. I watered when needed, and the weather was much cooler. This year in the front?- I still have the disease issues and the only real mistake I made was the fertilizer in the pre em. The front has had 0 synthetic fertilizer other than the pre em. Granted it doesn't look as bad as the back, but its still in fairly bad shape. It looks like the same thing to me.. some sort of patch fungus. What I'm getting at is I've seen the same issues two years in a row on two different types of grass and only two things are consistent. Both are young lawns and both got heavy organics. (Simpson's issues seem very similar so call it 3 lawns if you want)

I wonder if young lawns can handle organic N in the early spring. I'm not smart enough to give any evidence to back it up, and I realize others have done it successfully, but I just want to find a few logical theories so that I don't have the same issues next summer.