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Postby simpson » December 28th, 2011, 5:54 pm

Lets talk about what you plan to grow inside this winter.

I would like to know a few things

When do you plan to start your seed?
What are you seeding?
When do you hope to move them outside?
And anything else you want to add
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 28th, 2011, 6:28 pm

1) Cleome starts with cold stratification in the garage this week, but doesn't come in from the cold until the end of January. Wave petunias and Lisianthus in late January. Salvia won't start until February, Zinnia and Marigold until late March.

2) This year's selections! Rhea salvia, red salvia (my own garden's crossbreed, taller and heavier flowering, derived from Red Hot Sally and Bonfire parents). Blue and purple Wave petunias. Teddy Bear sunflower. Melampodium, mostly genetically Showstar but slowly reverting to type. Hot pink Cleome. Cinderella Blue lisianthus. Zinnias: Swizzle Scarlet and Yellow, Profusion Fire, Profusion Double Fire, Magellan Scarlet, Magellan Yellow. Marigolds: Aurora Gold, Janie Flame, Tiger Eyes, Sunburst Orange Splash (a triploid mule), and Zenith Red (also a triploid mule).

3) Usually around May first when I start the hardening off process--effortless for some things, hard for others. Planting usually starts around May 10th-15th depending on the weather, but some things will be held later or go earlier depending on their weather tolerance.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby simpson » December 28th, 2011, 7:49 pm

I knew you would be the first to poke your head in. I might order my seed soon. I am getting excited to try growing my own annuals this year.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 28th, 2011, 9:41 pm

I'm a poker, what can I say?

Fortunately, it's really easy (for most things). Plant seed. Water and put under light. Stand back. :-)

Some--cleome, Lisianthus, and the like, can be a challenge starting indoors.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 28th, 2011, 10:05 pm

Thanks for the reminder--I just planted 18 cleome and put 'em in the garage (average temperature high thirties, almost never freezes [and if it's going to I'll pull those in]). Once I get a new calendar I'll put it on the docket for the end of January to pull them in and start them.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby Ohio2112 » December 29th, 2011, 12:30 am

I planted this guy yesterday.
I got it from my niece for Christmas.

The seed package did not specify the type of seed but I think it was some kind of rye. The seeds looked a lot like the rye I planted in the garden in the fall.
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This was on the back of the package:
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I was told "OCGD" stood for Obsessive Compulsive Grass Disorder.
I can't imagine why they would think I have that particular disorder. :rotfl:

I'm going to try 4 or 5 new varieties of grape or cherry tomatoes this year
and one good beefsteak type.

I start those in the basement in March and start hardening them off in mid May.

I bought some Bishop's Weed seeds in the summer and planted 2 seed trays on the deck but nothing germinated. I'm hoping it was just too warm. I'm going to try again soon, but this time in the basement.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby simpson » December 29th, 2011, 9:20 pm

I am going to order my seed in the next few weeks to get started. The problem is there are so many plants that I want to try. I really don't want to set up huge light growing station just yet. For now I have one 4 foot light set up. How many plants do you think I can start under that?

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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 29th, 2011, 10:54 pm

Two to four flats, max--four if you side-by-side. I use 2 four foot lights for two flats, lengthwise, as that's the limit of my shelf and I like to keep the light as bright as possible on the plants.

If you choose the 72 cell flats (I wouldn't go any smaller as those puppies do grow), that's 144 to 288 plants.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby simpson » December 30th, 2011, 11:40 am

Nice ....... if I get into trouble I can alway upgrade. No need to go out of control yet

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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 30th, 2011, 11:43 am

True. The smaller number of cells (larger cells per flat) can also be a good idea for some things. Marigolds are easy to grow and detonate fast. Zinnias, same. You can grow 'em in 72 cell flats, no problem, but you'll be watering a lot.

Larger plants also prefer more leg room, but if you start them a bit later you can get around that.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 30th, 2011, 11:47 am

Oh. Really hefty plants that need a while (sunflower, Lisianthus and the like) can be grown in Solo cups. Actually, I use the really cheap generics from the grocery store. Drill hole in bottom, fill with soil, plant seed(s), water.

In a pinch, a southern or southwestern windowsill will do for those. I reserve half a shelf for them in the cellar.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby jglongisland » December 30th, 2011, 5:34 pm

I do about 70% plugs and the rest by seed. This year I'm going to start the Geranium in early February as they take a long time to flower. The ones I got from plugs last year didn't perform as well as the seeds, so I'll go the cheaper way. Zinnias I start last, like mid-April.

My trays of plugs should arrive around 3/1. This year I cut back on some of the double impatiens and added in some calibrachoa and Lantana and giving up on Verbena, they didn't impress me and the rabbits ate them even with my pellets. I'm also doing less double wave petunias. I'm still using the 72 cell trays that I started using in 2008. My capacity is 2,592 in the tracks, I also have two 4' grow light stands that I can use to get another 288. I start hardening off in April; everything is on wheels so I can bring them into the garage at night.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 30th, 2011, 11:38 pm

You have rabbit problems with verbena? Weird. I have rabbits and verbena and the two get along fine together.

I harden under tarp tents (I could park the car outside for a week or so, but that seems so bothersome). My capacity is about 700, plus enough space for around 30 cups for larger things.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby jglongisland » December 31st, 2011, 8:31 am

I've got some serious hungry rabbits and major raccoon problems. I have seen a hawk flying around, someday we'll have enough of them to make a difference. Verbena were the first plant that rabbits would eat even after using the tablets I always recommend. They also didn't seem to like our climate here on LI (I was told they can be a challenge as we just don't cool off enough in July).

My neighbor planted some Lantana and they thrived all summer - right through the heat in July and then the rains in August with Irene and its acid rain.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 31st, 2011, 10:33 am

OK, you have more herbivores (and probably fewer dogs) than I do. I think the bunnies are afraid to go into the garden. Strangely, the toads aren't.

Verbena do stay smaller down here and don't flourish in July. I try to keep them to the northern side of the garden (which is a southwestern garden so that's of limited help). Lantana do beautifully. Most of mine hit two and a half feet tall, gorgeous shape, perfect blooms, and just kept going. The only trouble I had with them was that the main stem and main root were as thick as my thumb and the root mass went outward at least six feet. I have no idea how far down it went... This presented a challenge cutting them down at the end of the season.

In recent decades, I've found I've had to discontinue a lot of the cooler-season things or restrict them to the northwestern gardens. Tropicals now flourish better in the full sun gardens. Or just accept that they either won't survive the summer or won't look good doing it.
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby xxryu139xx » December 31st, 2011, 11:57 am

interesting read and simpson has asked the same questions ive been pondering about. can anyone recommend any good websites i can order seeds from that have a good selection and decent prices?
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Re: Growing indoors

Postby andy10917 » December 31st, 2011, 12:24 pm

I have a great supplier of seeds for larger properties. Wholesale prices, too. When I needed 1000 "Black Dragon" Coleus, instead of $5 for 25 seeds, I can get 1000 for $13.48. Just don't expect the "just released" plant-of-the-minute. This is where garden centers get their seeds. 7,000 varieties. No super-glossy website --- the people that buy there know what they want.

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Re: Growing indoors

Postby simpson » December 31st, 2011, 12:35 pm

Park seed is a good one.

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Re: Growing indoors

Postby simpson » December 31st, 2011, 12:39 pm

Wow that's a great site Andy. As long as you know what your looking for its easy to find. 500 seeds for 8 bucks or 1000 for 14.

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Re: Growing indoors

Postby MorpheusPA » December 31st, 2011, 1:12 pm

+1 Simpson. For unusual things of small quantity, Park Seed is great. And their seed has never let me down.

The cheapest and most prolific source of seed is your own garden, actually! I harvest seeds off my Melampodium, both species of salvia, sunflowers, and cleome. Those will never be bought again because I won't need to.

You can save seeds from marigolds and zinnia and most other things, but I like the purebred versions so I replace those every year. When you take seeds it's a crap shoot as to what you get--and sometimes you roll and get something ugly.
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