Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby Michael Wise » March 3rd, 2011, 11:40 am

Things look worse.

So far, it is only the cherry tomatoes. The big boys still look fine to my untrained eye.

Here are pics of a couple of the cherry tomatoes.

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Here is one of the big boys.

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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby MorpheusPA » March 3rd, 2011, 11:52 am

It's possible that the one cherry tomato is going to be a loss, that there's something wrong with it. However, to my also untrained eye (at least so far as the color balance goes with your camera), those just don't look right. My petunias are deepest green with some purple tones, and the salvia are turning that color.

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The two ideas I like are a weak decoction of Epsom salts and adding calcium. I'm wondering if that isn't a magnesium deficiency, and spraying the leaves sure isn't going to hurt. The sulfate would also help suppress any disease there. I'd recommend 1 tsp per gallon, sprayed, to start.

Calcium absolutely isn't going to hurt any. If you have Milorganite left over, a scattering over the surface would help. Gypsum would work--just a tiny pinch, a wee amount.

*Edit* The other bit of data I noted was how heavily tomatoes feed, which I hadn't realized. You just fed, that hasn't had time to process yet. Most seedlings don't feed very much when young, and grow a lot slower than yours are doing (mine, at 3 weeks, are about a tenth that size).
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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby Michael Wise » March 3rd, 2011, 12:30 pm

One more question. What about my fan?

It is pointing away from the plants, and is just pulling a very light breeze over the plants. So light you can barely see the leaves wiggle if you stare long enough. It is running any time the lights are on.

Can that be a problem?

I tell you what. With me, and I think that first link said it, too, the more I try, the worse things get. :)

This is my first shot at maters, and I keep hearing and reading "watering problem".

Right now, I know they have water. I'm gonna ride this out and see what happens when I know things are a little drier on the inside. Just to 100% rule that out.

I really feel that this is some rookie problem that I am causing.

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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby Michael Wise » March 3rd, 2011, 12:35 pm

MorpheusPA wrote:
*Edit* The other bit of data I noted was how heavily tomatoes feed, which I hadn't realized. You just fed, that hasn't had time to process yet. Most seedlings don't feed very much when young, and grow a lot slower than yours are doing (mine, at 3 weeks, are about a tenth that size).
Yeah. Looking back, I think I shoulda fed when the very first true leaves showed up.

They just got there so dang fast that I wasn't sure if I should start feeding or not.

I really do appreciate all your help, Morph.

My tomato friend up the road has been gone, and I don't know anybody else that grows stuff. It's been nice having help and someone to field my questions. :)

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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby MorpheusPA » March 3rd, 2011, 1:19 pm

Michael Wise wrote:One more question. What about my fan?

It is pointing away from the plants, and is just pulling a very light breeze over the plants. So light you can barely see the leaves wiggle if you stare long enough. It is running any time the lights are on.

Can that be a problem?


It's actually recommended. I'm going to add one as soon as I get my third and fourth true leaves on the new plants, pointed directly at them (I have a lot to do, so I'll set it on sweep). The stems benefit from the wind causing wiggling, which slows growth a bit but makes them much more solid.

Not having it leads to leggier plants that aren't very strong-stemmed. That increases the chances they'll break when moved outside. Stockier, stronger plants are much better.

I tell you what. With me, and I think that first link said it, too, the more I try, the worse things get. :)


Tru dat. Everything you do is a stress, no doubt about it.

This is my first shot at maters, and I keep hearing and reading "watering problem".

Right now, I know they have water. I'm gonna ride this out and see what happens when I know things are a little drier on the inside. Just to 100% rule that out.


That makes sense. Overwatering is the #1 killer of young plants. Like I keep saying, I use 1 quart bottom watered, about 8 ounces sprayed over the top at seeding time. I watered the petunias and salvia once so far, but I end up pouring away fully half of that.

I really feel that this is some rookie problem that I am causing.


Could be, and I don't know tomatoes. This is my first year with mass seedlings, although I've raised them indoors before in smaller numbers. I don't have anything that grows at that rate!

My tomato friend up the road has been gone, and I don't know anybody else that grows stuff. It's been nice having help and someone to field my questions. :)


Shrug, for what help I am. I can suggest, but don't really know, and have to go on visual clues that may or may not apply to seedlings.
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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby GaryCinChicago » March 4th, 2011, 1:56 am

Michael Wise wrote: I keep hearing and reading "watering problem".

Right now, I know they have water. I'm gonna ride this out and see what happens when I know things are a little drier on the inside. Just to 100% rule that out.


That's what I would do. They don't like wet feet. If you are bottom watering, you don't have the cups swimming in the bottom tray of water for hours and hours, do you?

You'll be surprised at how dry they can get and still be healthy. Even when you find them wilting, they will perk right back up in a hour after a little water.

Just go by feel. Take another cup and fill it with the same soil-less medium. Pick it up and note how light it is. Now you'll know when to water the babies. As they grow bigger, you'll be watering more often, and by feeling the weight of the cup is the only way I have found.

I've had this yellow leaf problem happen with maters too and never lost one yet.
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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby Michael Wise » March 4th, 2011, 2:36 am

I've only bottom watered twice. Started that after the problem.

Before, when the problem started, I was top watering what I now think was too often. Wasn't feeling the cups. Just going by the soil surface dryness. That led me to watering what I now believe was far too often.

I think it is going to be a combo of that, and starting feeding just a hair late.

I want to think that things were greening up before I left work, but i'll for sure be able to see tomorrow.

When I watered the other day, I left a plant out to compare the feel of the others to. I don't feel so much like I'm guessing with the water now that I felt it.

All the big boys look good, and 3 or so of the SS 100's still look good. Thank God I started 25 plants. Surely I'll have one or 2 left by mid April. :D

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Re: Tomato problem - Yellowing and curlingleaves

Postby MorpheusPA » March 4th, 2011, 8:28 am

If it's any consolation, I've lost six plants so far out of 130 started at this point. Some losses are to be expected, and some plants are a little harder to start than others. Maybe the SS 100's are just tougher.
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